Timeline for Can we do anything to change the dynamic of the site?
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| May 17, 2013 at 16:19 | comment | added | MadHatter | +1 for "summer of relentless massacre". | |
| May 16, 2013 at 21:22 | comment | added | user11604 | @Iain, People might interpret it that way, much like a vacuum cleaner is often referred to as a 'hoover' in the UK. But you can't change the definition of IT professional just because it suits, or because people consider the term synonymous with professionals that support networks and servers, as this will just lead to confusion, and poor quality questions. | |
| May 16, 2013 at 21:07 | comment | added | user9517 Mod | @Bryan: That works both ways - most if not all of the devs I know don't consider themselves IT Pros and they refer to the sysadmin teams as IT. | |
| May 16, 2013 at 21:06 | comment | added | user11604 | @MDMarra, I'm not denying the poor quality of questions from devs, but whilst the FAQ encourages questions from IT Pros, developers are always going to feel welcome. 'IT Pro' is not the correct term. | |
| May 16, 2013 at 21:05 | comment | added | user9517 Mod | @ewwhite: Ed no hate just a wish to get rid of a river of halp ! | |
| May 16, 2013 at 21:04 | comment | added | user11604 | @Iain, sorry, but I don't agree. If I insist that the sky is green just because it suits me, that doesn't make the sky green. A developer is an IT pro, plain and simple. | |
| May 16, 2013 at 21:04 | comment | added | MDMarra | @Bryan Rarely are developers considered "IT Pros." Sometimes they're considered part of a larger IT department, but IT Pros usually refers to sysadmins, network admins, desktop support, etc. Again, being a dev doesn't necessarily mean that you're going to ask a bad question, but the vast majority of terrible questions here do tend to be from developers who have found their way over here from SO. Development is its own distinct skillset that doesn't have a ton of overlap with being a sysadmin. I'm not saying that they should know what we know, but they're part of the problem, IMO. | |
| May 16, 2013 at 20:53 | comment | added | user9517 Mod | @Bryan: That's not the definition of IT Pro here though - here they're amateurs. | |
| May 16, 2013 at 20:47 | comment | added | user11604 | "meaning that they are likely developers and not IT pros". Developers are IT pros, as are help desk staff, technicians, systems administrators, licensing specialists, DBAs, etc. Basically anyone who works in IT, is by definition an IT Professional. | |
| May 16, 2013 at 20:08 | comment | added | EEAA | Cripes - look at the last 8 hours of questions. Horrible. | |
| May 16, 2013 at 19:10 | comment | added | MDMarra | For example, Tom O'Connor and Joel E Salas are two Devops guys that bring a lot of value to this community. They're not Sysadmins by trade but they bring good, on-topic content and participation here. The guy that asked about why his ASUS consumer router was causing his CPanel sessions to disconnect...well that's another story. | |
| May 16, 2013 at 19:08 | comment | added | MDMarra | There's no hate. If there's a DevOps engineer that asks an intelligent and on-topic question, that's fine. What I am saying is that most of the drivel is from users that are, in reality, not an IT Pro. They are either pure devs or enthusiasts. They're the most vocal when their questions get closed for being trash. If someone asks a relevant, properly detailed, on-topic question, I don't care what their title is. It's just that the bulk of the crap anecdotally appears to be coming from people who are not Server Fault's target audience, and that's a problem. | |
| May 16, 2013 at 19:05 | comment | added | ewwhite | The questions are fine. Pro Sysadmins are not the only ones who can benefit from this site. I'm glad someone would come to SF to ask about on-demand computing resources or to get a sanity-check on an application design's infrastructure. There are a lot of organizations that rely heavily on DevOps staff whose primary responsibilities lie on the software side. Why the hate? | |
| May 16, 2013 at 18:48 | comment | added | MDMarra | Right. Like I said, not all questions asked by users with higher rep on SO are necessarily bad. But, it does give credence to the complaints that SF is no longer for IT Pros. It's turning into free tech support rather than a place where Pros and share expertise with other Pros. A one minute phone call to a sales rep would have answered the VMware question. We really shouldn't have to spell out product features. That's what sales people are for. We should be asking and answering questions about vSphere and vCloud. Not explaining what features they have. | |
| May 16, 2013 at 18:46 | comment | added | Michael Hampton | To be fair, some of those do seem to be reasonable questions, even if they were asked by developers. I still don't understand VMware, and that's because their marketing department went out of their way to make all the names confusing. | |
| May 16, 2013 at 18:33 | history | edited | MDMarra | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| May 16, 2013 at 18:27 | history | edited | MDMarra | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| May 16, 2013 at 18:14 | comment | added | MDMarra | I ran last year and considered running again this year, but I'm way too busy at work to be effective. I thought about running just for the swag that they send candidates, though :) | |
| May 16, 2013 at 18:13 | comment | added | Michael Hampton | And why aren't you running for moderator? | |
| May 16, 2013 at 18:01 | history | answered | MDMarra | CC BY-SA 3.0 |