Timeline for Suggestion: helping amateurs to get their way to SU / unix SE
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| Apr 3, 2015 at 20:19 | comment | added | HopelessN00b Mod | I don't want "many" users, I only want users capable of contributing useful content. People who can't do that but want to benefit from my technical expertise anyway can pay me for the privilege. | |
| Apr 3, 2015 at 19:16 | comment | added | peterh | @HopelessN00b He didn't skiped out. He only made a trivial question. I also didn't take the tour before my first post here (ok, it was an answer and not a question). Systems should be intuitive, beginners mistakes should be self-correctable. If you want many users, you can't made them obligatory to read the manual, even if it is a short and simple manual. The practical taboo on the migrations is irrational! | |
| Apr 3, 2015 at 9:01 | comment | added | HopelessN00b Mod | @peterh a newbie who skips through all that information, asks a useless question without enough information to answer, and then proceeds to call you a "complete and utter cunt" for not answering his question doesn't deserve help, he deserves to be set on fire. In the more broadly applicable case, if they don't read all the help they already get before asking their question, they don't deserve any consideration after - they're being inconsiderate jerks, wasting everybody's time with their garbage. | |
| Apr 3, 2015 at 5:51 | comment | added | Journeyman Geek | Are you sure you're reading the same thing I wrote? The site tour, and say the front page is hardly hundreds of posts. Its almost like you want to encourage people not to take the slighest effort, and encourage help vampirism. | |
| Apr 3, 2015 at 5:48 | comment | added | peterh | @JourneymanGeek You want a fresh newbie to read hundreds of pages, do a deep investigation before his first question? OMG! Did you ever heard about Parkinson's law? | |
| Apr 3, 2015 at 5:24 | comment | added | Journeyman Geek | The newbie isn't in good standing. A newbie in good standing would read the carefully crafted (and in my opinion excessively handholdy) introduction to the site, spend a couple of minutes looking at good posts, and spend the time to write an excellent, well written question. He would then be heaped with praise and upvotes (and maybe beer). With newbies unwilling or unable to read the fine introduction, the right course of action is to close the question, and optionally let him know why. | |
| Apr 3, 2015 at 5:10 | comment | added | peterh | @JourneymanGeek ...and this is the perfect situation, as in a human structure everybody "knows" that he is doing his task perfectly, and the result is that a good-standing newbie is expelled on a site whose primary goal is to get good-standing newbies here. | |
| Apr 3, 2015 at 5:05 | comment | added | Journeyman Geek | @peterh: I felt it was worth re-iterating, and clarifying what you should migrate. Especially since as a 20K rep user before I became a mod, with the ability to VTC/VTM. I also tend to just VTC programming questions on SU rather than moving it over to SO. As a mod, I'd have kicked it back to SF where it would have met an ignominious demise. Not all content is worth saving. IMO this would be downvoted in SU since it shows a lack of research effort. The "save" option shouldn't be onerous to find, even with hardcore text editors. | |
| Apr 3, 2015 at 4:48 | comment | added | peterh | @MichaelHampton About the banner: I think you missed the context. | |
| Apr 3, 2015 at 4:47 | comment | added | peterh | @MichaelHampton Yes, for you, because you know the Hidden Ultimate Secret Why Migrations Should Be Rarest. :-) | |
| Apr 3, 2015 at 4:42 | comment | added | Michael Hampton Mod | And, when an SU moderator thinks it should not be migrated there, that's good enough for me. | |
| Apr 3, 2015 at 4:41 | comment | added | Michael Hampton Mod | If you aren't logged in, that banner appears on every page, not just the home page. | |
| Apr 3, 2015 at 4:17 | comment | added | peterh | @JourneymanGeek I suggest to re-read the latest around 8 comments. Thank you. | |
| Apr 3, 2015 at 3:57 | comment | added | Journeyman Geek | I'd also add that there's a simple one line rule about migrations. Don't migrate crap. Migration should be for the rare excellent yet off topic content | |
| Apr 3, 2015 at 3:52 | comment | added | peterh | Sorry, this is what I could do. :-) Unfortunately, I don't have further access to this question and haven't a backup from that, but I think it would be a good (but not representative) experiment to ask this on SU anonymously. Could you copy-paste the text of the last version of this question here (or into a chat)? | |
| Apr 3, 2015 at 3:49 | comment | added | EEAA | @peterh You edited it by removing "Cheers" and changing "Putty" to "putty". Putty should have been left capitalized. I'm not sure you were making a significant change in its chances for migration. :) | |
| Apr 3, 2015 at 3:47 | comment | added | peterh | It wasn't crap. It was unclear and offtopic here, but not crap. I even edited it to make its chance better for a migration to SU. | |
| Apr 3, 2015 at 3:45 | comment | added | EEAA | @peterh You forget about this: DON'T MIGRATE CRAP. | |
| Apr 3, 2015 at 3:44 | comment | added | peterh | It is about the "please read the small character paragraphs" thing. It can be a strong argument to convince a lawyer, but now it is about to win the subjective decision of a visitor. The SE network now LOST this subjective decision. | |
| Apr 3, 2015 at 3:42 | comment | added | EEAA | @peterh OK, so they come via Google. They miss the first SF Banner I posted. They still have to read and agree that they'll take into consideration the tips on the "Ask a Question" page. | |
| Apr 3, 2015 at 3:38 | comment | added | peterh | 1) Not okay, most people is coming here by google, and practically never by the frontpage. 2) If you are on a site first time, to ask a question, and this site tries to convince you to use another site, then you probably won't do it. Why? It is a cost-offer thing. You aren't even sure if SF deserved your attention to give a question to it, then another site referenced by SF surely won't deserve. Yes, this OP in the example question weren't a really pleasant figure, but I think, the system handled his problem very, very badly. His question should have been migrated to superuser on the spot. | |
| Apr 3, 2015 at 3:35 | history | edited | EEAA | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Apr 3, 2015 at 3:15 | history | answered | EEAA | CC BY-SA 3.0 |