Timeline for Abrupt change in moderation staff?
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| Apr 10, 2015 at 23:40 | comment | added | Shog9 | I use "specialized tools" all the time, @Michael. Some of the other mods have entire libraries of scripts they use to help them. Used judiciously, that isn't a problem. Remember this? Specialized tool. It ain't the tooling, it's how you use it - notice how folks who disagreed with what I did there were able to both find out what was going on and offer feedback, because I talked about it in public? Y'all didn't have to ask Shane to pull logs to figure out what Shog was up to, you just went to meta. | |
| Apr 10, 2015 at 22:54 | comment | added | Michael Hampton Mod | @Shog9 It doesn't seem unreasonable to search for keywords when the relevant tags are long gone and can no longer be searched for instead (and even if they existed, posts might be incorrectly tagged). And I'm going to have to build a small tool just to review this list of questions properly, so I'm not sure why the fixation on using specialized tools? What am I missing here? | |
| Apr 10, 2015 at 22:51 | comment | added | Ward - Trying Codidact Mod |
@Shog9 The latest comments there hint at something more going on than was initially what's going on, but I for one am not part of who already know how this went down but aren't letting on in order to prolong the drama here for their own amusement I'll wait and see what else comes up....
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| Apr 10, 2015 at 22:47 | comment | added | Andrew B | @Shog9 It is not my intent to be one of those people. With utmost sincerity, I am still trying to make the connection between what you are implying here and what has been presented as evidence. Very strong accusations are being made, both in your last comment and the one Noob's answer links to. If those are accurate, so be it. What we need is an understanding of how you're arriving at this conclusion of malicious intent. Yeah, some of us have been fairly critical of SE in the past and our bickering is nothing new, but if your severe statements are justified that's water under the bridge. | |
| Apr 10, 2015 at 22:39 | comment | added | Shog9 | Read this answer, @Reaces. It describes what I have been doing, what I will be doing, and why I've been doing it. Ignore the comments - they're for the benefit of a handful of people who already know how this went down but aren't letting on in order to prolong the drama here for their own amusement. I sincerely apologize for the disruption - if I'd been watching more closely two months ago, I might've identified this sooner and been able to resolve it before it gathered steam. | |
| Apr 10, 2015 at 22:31 | comment | added | Reaces | @Shog9 To be honest I'm not entirely sure what the what (heh) and why is yet. I assume the what is investigating and the why is because you suspect power abuse. But so far theres been a lot of talk of lies and betrayal and some soap opera worthy conversations. Maybe a "this is what we're doing and this is why" post from the community managers is exactly what we need in stead of a jumble of comments spread across two questions containing a dozen answers. | |
| Apr 10, 2015 at 22:25 | comment | added | Shog9 | If it helps, @Reaces, I was originally hoping to resolve this in < 30 minutes via a private conversation. Instead, this got dragged into public and I've done my best since then to keep up with it without intentionally spreading misinformation - even as I was (and still am) lacking a complete picture myself. I've handled hundreds of similar situations in the past, but this one takes the cake - I have a lot of work left to do here before I can be sure I'm being accurate, so the best I can tell you right now is what I'm doing and why I'm doing it. Which, incidentally, is all I ask of mods. | |
| Apr 10, 2015 at 22:23 | comment | added | Wesley | @Reaces Bingo. It seems like every time a complaint is checkmated, a new one comes up. "It was without community discussion and consent!" Yes, there was community discussion and consent. "There needed to be disclosure!" ...for adhering to the FAQ and discussing it in meta? "Canned responses and user complaints!" They're accurate and well documented responses that represent the FAQ and stated mission of ServerFault; user complaints are pointless if their original question is off topic. I'm suspecting that the next step is to allege that hopelessn00b killed Abraham Lincoln. | |
| Apr 10, 2015 at 21:59 | comment | added | Reaces | @Shog9 After this is done, and if there is anything found, I hope we'll get a bit more insight as to what was done and how. Because reading the threads no mention was made of automated closing besides just now by Sven. This whole thing is twisting into several shapes and it's odd/hard to follow your reasoning. First it was about doing something without community consent, then about a lack of disclosure, then about using canned responses and not responding to user questions, and now there's talk of automation and abusing tools. A single, coherent, plot would help with understanding all of it. | |
| Apr 10, 2015 at 21:40 | comment | added | Sven Mod | @Shog9: OK, that gives a bit better perspective to your side. | |
| Apr 10, 2015 at 21:34 | comment | added | Shog9 | That was my concern a day ago, @Sven (hence the prompt de-modding). After digging into this for a while, I believe it was merely a collection of keyword searches combined with some specialized tools. We'll continue researching this. | |
| Apr 10, 2015 at 21:19 | comment | added | Sven Mod |
@Shog9: by what mechanism they where closed. I only know of one such mechanism, so do you somehow suspect he built himself a closebot of sorts?
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| Apr 10, 2015 at 21:02 | comment | added | Andrew B | @Shog9 That's kinda what we're getting at. Even before he became a mod, Hopeless had his hand slapped on several occasions for being too confrontational. Consider a scenario where Hopeless truly believed he was doing his job, and then had his mod status stripped with a perception of little to no warning. The probability of him needing to step away in order to form a coherent response ranges from "high" to "a certainty". I'm also somewhat inclined to agree with Reaces. There's something that you're trying to communicate to us regarding alleged avoidance of topic that just isn't connecting. | |
| Apr 10, 2015 at 21:01 | comment | added | Reaces | @Shog9 I'm somewhat flabbergasted, which answer did not get a frank factual explanation? I thought everything was being discussed openly and quite frankly but things don't seem to be cooling down at all. And currently you're being very vocal and seem very defensive / emotional. It might just be how I'm reading it and not entirely true, but you seem like you need some time to collect your thoughts. | |
| Apr 10, 2015 at 20:34 | history | edited | Ward - Trying CodidactMod | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
more drama~!
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| Apr 10, 2015 at 20:18 | comment | added | Shog9 | You might be right about the question being unclear. I'm honestly still scrambling to figure out what was being done here, so I don't yet know what questions I should be asking. One way or another though, I'm going to find out by what criteria these questions were being identified, and by what mechanism they were being closed. The answers to those questions may well raise other questions. I really would've appreciated a frank, factual explanation from Hopeless himself a day ago, but it's increasingly clear that I'm not going to get that. | |
| Apr 10, 2015 at 20:15 | comment | added | EEAA | Great edit/addition. @Shog9 honestly I feel like you are intentionally trying to either misread or misconstrue what Hopelessn00b is saying. You asked him to explain himself. He did. He also has explained several times his reasoning for the close reason he was using. Why continue the negativity? We all have a clear picture of what happened, and how things should be handled from here on out. Let's move on. | |
| Apr 10, 2015 at 20:11 | comment | added | Andrew B | "I don't think it's unreasonable for Noob to spend some time thinking before posting." -- Accurate, particularly given his stated intent to cool off before replying. A great deal of his criticism going into this position was entering into verbal conflicts "too hot", and that has the appearance of both self-awareness and self-control. | |
| Apr 10, 2015 at 20:06 | history | edited | Ward - Trying CodidactMod | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
update with MOAR drama!
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| Apr 10, 2015 at 17:48 | history | answered | Ward - Trying CodidactMod | CC BY-SA 3.0 |