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Honeypotting Serverfault for questions that should not be asked! Should this stop?
I love the play on words and adjustment of context to make this sound like I am making this up. Your 'not 100%' is a load, as a simple search reveals. While you may retroactively adjust this to make it seem untrue, as of writing this, no such evidence contradicts my statement of fact. Regarding intent on misleading, yes, that is what this is. And 'pro' server admins, right, because everyone here is working on SPARC servers. Running a homebrew install of Ubuntu that happens to have apache, is not 'pro admin'. But that is another discussion.
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Honeypotting Serverfault for questions that should not be asked! Should this stop?
I wish that was correct, but it is well known, when a community on stackexchange fails to meet certain numbers statistically, that community is closed or put under review pending judgement. It is also feasible for meta to remove all such content, including the keyword, as certain ranks can delete keywords, and even higher can delete posts/questions.
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Honeypotting Serverfault for questions that should not be asked! Should this stop?
Also, I have seen claims that cPanel is supported under certain conditions. If said conditions exist, they would be listed. Further, there would be historical examples of non-closed (or otherwise negatively adjusted by meta) cPanel threads with healthy discussion. From what I can tell, this has yet to happen. There are a couple here and there open with cPanel, but not about administrating that box, and thus justification for my claim that cPanel is verboten even from an administrative perspective due to lack of understanding.
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Honeypotting Serverfault for questions that should not be asked! Should this stop?
The solutions provided are not impossible. #3 is current status, and while facetious, is forthright and accurate in description whether this is favorable or not, the intent was to bring to the table clearly, and concisely the predicament serverfault is in currently. #1 and #2 are viable solutions. Keywording your site for content you do not support is shady and primarily used by very slimy places online. I do not feel that this is a 'best practices' measure for this site and what i said in combination makes this a very poor resource when landing here under those terms. Bait and switch.
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Honeypotting Serverfault for questions that should not be asked! Should this stop?
Everything is in context. While you believe the duality of the statement itself being possible to be a positive statement, in conjunction with encouragement to leave the server under the guise of a suggestion, which was preceded by a long noun "Ooookay then" ( urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=okay+then... ), and calling me a 'Dude', gives reasonable context to those statements intention as being anything less than the purity of intent you claim. Further, it did not provide any benefit to this question outside of encouraging the discouragement of this topic.
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Is it time to kill problematic tags like cpanel, plesk, whm and webmin?
It it was false then it wouldn't be a problem showing me an example of a question where cPanel was the topic, about administrating a machine that happens to have cPanel on it, which were ~not~ negatively flagged (off-topic / closed / etc) which show a solution. I can show hundreds of questions that have response back from this community, yet the conversation was disrupted by negative flags on the question. I understand if meta doesn't feel like answering, but they do not make up 'the community' -- unless that is how you define it, which is still left unclear what 'the community' is to you.
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Honeypotting Serverfault for questions that should not be asked! Should this stop?
I couldn't help but notice how lacking your last comment was in respect to contribution to this discussion. Your use of an exaggerated 'okay' combined with slang, followed up with attempts to dissuade further debate, and topping it off with a facetious sentence, does not look professional at all, nor does it contribute to this discussion in any meaningful manner. I get the up votes from the immature, and the 50k+ rep elect, but please keep the discussion to the matter at hand and refrain from personal attacks. cPanel does get answered by the community, until you guys discourage/prevent that.
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Honeypotting Serverfault for questions that should not be asked! Should this stop?
Correct, there isn't really anything better that does the same thing. Ajeni is good in the regard that it doesn't interfere with the software, but then it is limited in the way that it doesn't provide users with jailed control over their stuff. Plesk = nightmare. If you hate cPanel, then Plesk, is the place Hell would go that is worse than Hell, especially so on Windows. Regarding server admin and 'professional' hosting. If you don't provide users with control over their stuff, you certainly do not offer 'professional' hosting.
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Honeypotting Serverfault for questions that should not be asked! Should this stop?
I think the point just sailed over you in a jet . The 'closed' questions (inclusive of onhold and other negative flags), have better response than your tagged questions. That response being mitigated/halted by disrupting it with a negative status change. If questions did not have 'merit', and people (as you allege : the community) do not wish to engage, then why do they counter against your reality until forcibly preventing them or discouraging engagement. I do notice you and your buddies downvotes tho. appreciate that :)
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Honeypotting Serverfault for questions that should not be asked! Should this stop?
So you only close questions on cPanel that actually get a decent response ? Sorry, but if you travel to serverfault.com/search?q=cpanel that has a higher response rate than serverfault.com/questions/tagged/cpanel does. You also, have yet to prove otherwise. here is baseless.
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Honeypotting Serverfault for questions that should not be asked! Should this stop?
serverfault.com/search?q=cpanel shows that your mythical unicorn of alleged supported cpanel questions is non-existant . Keeping this, shows fear that losing said traffic on these words, will end serverfault due to lack of traffic / support.
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Why was this flag declined?
Clarifying, the reason why a link to a video is not valid, is that even though it answers the question for the user now, that link/video may not work in X period of time from now. An answer should be self-contained on this site and not dependent on another external site as the internet is quite fluid and StackExchange (and friends), needs to keep self-contained to protect the integrity of questions and solutions
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Is it time to kill problematic tags like cpanel, plesk, whm and webmin?
Not just kill the tag, but delete all posts altogether. When a user tries to make a new post with cpanel/whm/etc keywords in the text, title, or body -- it should block posting completely. Given this is a banned topic, it makes no sense why you choose to leave in public view an archive of something not supported and closed/locked/etc abruptly halting any viable conversation on those topics. So support them -- or nuke them completely so this site doesn't come up in search for them.
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Why do people think questions about cPanel/WHM is the same as questions about cPanel?
sorry -- the Not likely to fail meaning, your likely in likely to fail makes it sound like it's possible for acceptance of a cPanel question. I call bullshit as the fail rate is 100%. Doesn't matter how obscure, or how simple -- on hold/deleted/closed is the result for 100% of ALL cPanel questions. likely leaves open the possibility of fair assesment and inclusion at least some of the time.
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Why do people think questions about cPanel/WHM is the same as questions about cPanel?
Regarding a hearing, I don't see this as a hearing when 'the community' (definition of that in question) is unwilling to discuss. As is showing in the recent onslaught of cPanel questions, and dating back, they have answers and good discussion before 50k'ers come along and disrupt the healthy responses with closing/on-hold, and pointing to something vague saying it isn't allowed, meanwhile exactly a 100% closure/on-hold/deletion rate.
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Why do people think questions about cPanel/WHM is the same as questions about cPanel?
Not likely to fail -- 100% fail, and that was added as a comment on that tag by meta with appropriate privileges which is how much rep again ? I have requested deletion of my question on a highly censored topic, cPanel. And if it is so verboten, then please, unhijack the cpanel keyword and you will not have the onslaught of people asking questions which you think no one should ask and even when they are responded to, you think, no one wants to answer them. -- this is in general, not specific to you MadHatter.
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Why do people think questions about cPanel/WHM is the same as questions about cPanel?
Go ahead and lock this too. Just shows how censorship works.
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Why do people think questions about cPanel/WHM is the same as questions about cPanel?
@EEAA - meta.serverfault.com/a/8061/216553 -- voted up 24. Can't see grand totals, but the subject (although a bit hazy), is pretty much the point I am trying to make. Administrative = okay. User CP = no.