Timeline for Getting a bit too snarky
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| Apr 13, 2017 at 12:14 | history | edited | CommunityBot |
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| Jan 17, 2017 at 20:56 | comment | added | Anthony Fornito | I like this answer, anyone who can say when they started out didn't have questions and when you went to a senior to ask for help they would tell you "Hey you suck at your job" Doug Luxem made the only comment needed, tell them why the question is bad and what needs to be added to fix. If the OP does not add any content then move on. | |
| Oct 21, 2013 at 13:50 | comment | added | the-wabbit | @MDMarra I really think it should not be closed, yes. I never considered decisions about what's valuable for the community to be my job here, I am just answering questions I feel qualified to answer and asking questions I believe might get answered. Also, I do think that newcomers should be cut some slack - which appears to be working rather poorly lately. | |
| Oct 20, 2013 at 0:42 | comment | added | MDMarra | @syneticon-dj are you seriously defending that question? To answer it, you would need to either be in that user's environment or be a mind reader. Would you care to explain how that question is valuable or topical to the Server Fault community? (Also, the fact that he brings up superscopes and VLANs does indeed lead me to believe that it's about the act of adding 20 addresses, but if we really have to argue over what the question is actually about, isn't that another sign that it's not a very good question?) | |
| Oct 18, 2013 at 20:00 | comment | added | Ward - Trying Codidact Mod | Further to my earlier comment, here's a recent post on meta.SO about essentially the same thing ("why is everyone on SO so mean") meta.stackexchange.com/questions/202168/… | |
| Oct 18, 2013 at 19:59 | comment | added | the-wabbit |
@dcaswell I've posted a screenshot. @others the question is not about "how to expand the DHCP scope". It is about the possible implications of doing so. Folks really should develop the habit of actually reading and understanding a question prior to hitting the close link underneath.
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| Oct 18, 2013 at 19:54 | history | edited | the-wabbit | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Oct 18, 2013 at 13:54 | comment | added | TheCleaner | I read the question and I think it has a place here on SF. It's not great, and probably deserves a downvote unless expanded/revised, but not sure if it is close worthy. The biggest issue I see is that the OP needs to understand if those 20 additional addresses are in use somewhere else before expanding the scope. If it's Windows DHCP, then answering how to expand it is simple enough. While it may be a basic question, there are PLENTY of basic questions from years gone by here. I get everyone's arguments here, but I think this question could probably have been helped along and stayed. | |
| Oct 17, 2013 at 23:23 | comment | added | Ward - Trying Codidact Mod | "But to me, you would not see that type of response on Stack Overflow and most other SE sites." Based on seeing the exact same complaints on meta.SO (about "rejecting" questions), I'd have to assume you do see that type of response on SO. I don't follow a lot of other technical SE sites, but I've also seem the same thing on EE.SE and to some extent on Physics.SE | |
| Oct 17, 2013 at 16:27 | comment | added | dcaswell | Could someone please post the comments, and possibly the question, here? | |
| Oct 17, 2013 at 15:42 | comment | added | MDMarra | And also "good subjective" questions are allowed, which are the exact kind of questions that we're missing. Something like How should an IT department choose a Linux distro is a recent example of the type of "good subjective" question that used to generate excellent content here. Now there are a thousand "how do I give my scope more addresses?" for each of them. The signal-to-noise ratio for good sysadmins wanting to further their professional knowledge is terrible right now, partially because of the type of question that you linked to, | |
| Oct 17, 2013 at 15:39 | comment | added | Doug Luxem | @MadHatter, I will also add that your comments were not "snarky", but this is the only open question on Meta discussing this topic. SF traffic may be expanding, but the # of questions is declining and it seems anecdotally that the voting is too. | |
| Oct 17, 2013 at 15:38 | comment | added | MDMarra | Discussion was a poor word choice there, but it's undeniable that in the 2009-2010 era, the majority of the questions were much more advanced than they are now. I'm in the top 5 for rep on SF, I understand the difference between Q&A and discussion. Perhaps it's because of the google pagerank now compared to 2009, which is driving more googlers here than high-quality sysadmins looking to form a community. Back then it seemed like a lot more people wanted to be part of a community. Now people seem to want to leave a drive-by question rather than reading the docs themselves, lowing the quality. | |
| Oct 17, 2013 at 15:37 | comment | added | MadHatter | Doug, understood, and thank you for the clarification (though I still don't think I treated the OP badly). But what makes you think there's been a "steady decline in SF usage"? My vague understanding from the Powers That Be is that it's been expanding steadily, and arguably that's been causing some problems - possibly even this problem. | |
| Oct 17, 2013 at 15:35 | comment | added | Doug Luxem | @MDMarra "Discussions" are not allowed on the site so I don't think you will ever see a lot of that content here. There's only so much you can do within the Q&A format. | |
| Oct 17, 2013 at 15:32 | comment | added | Doug Luxem | My intention is not to pick on you specifically @MadHatter, but for me it is a good example of how newbies are treated in general on this site. According to Iain this treatment is fine and its ok to reject questions (and people) like this. But to me, you would not see that type of response on Stack Overflow and most other SE sites. It is probably a good reason why there has been a steady decline in SF usage. | |
| Oct 17, 2013 at 15:32 | comment | added | MDMarra | (continued) so there's been a backlash against very basic questions like this from people that used to get a lot more out of the site than they do now, like myself. It's unfortunate, because some of us have started to leave and the "high end" of the site that used to exist is shrinking while the majority of new questions are entirely googlable or off-topic, which is a shame. I like to share knowledge and give to the community, but with the mountain of terrible and very basic questions lately, there's not a lot that I'm getting back. I think that leads to some of the backlash against easy Qs. | |
| Oct 17, 2013 at 15:30 | comment | added | MDMarra | That question is essentially "how do I expand my DHCP scope?" Very borderline on whether or not that's an acceptable question. Would you think bicycles.se would be a good place to ask how to put air in your tires? It's a problem we face with quality content lately. When SF started, there were marvelous architectural question, lots of very high-level and very detailed discussion amongst professionals in the field. Now it's turned into a place where a high rep user like myself isn't learning much from the content. I'm simply an answerer to others and that gets old. | |
| Oct 17, 2013 at 15:13 | comment | added | MadHatter | Doug, if I'd felt his question could have been improved by a rewrite, I'd've tried to help. But the OP, by his own admission, knows next to nothing about networks. I didn't feel this was a question that rewriting could have improved. | |
| Oct 17, 2013 at 15:08 | comment | added | MadHatter | I can assure people that snark wasn't intended. I personally think that wandering onto the site, posting a question, and having it closed with no feedback it all is more demoralising than having some human interaction, so when I voted to close it, I felt obliged to offer some sort of feedback. This site exists to help people, sure, but not all people, nor all the questions they might wish to ask. I'm definitely not authoritative about what's on topic, and what's not, but the three close votes collected in so short a time suggests I might not be alone in feeling that his question wasn't. | |
| Oct 17, 2013 at 15:04 | comment | added | user9517 | I can still read the question and I don't see any snark in the comments at all. It's unfortunate that people get 'promoted' (or dumped on) without having the (basic) skills to do the job in hand but companies can't expect to get everything for free. Madhatters advice about getting some education is entirely sound and more people need to realise that. | |
| Oct 17, 2013 at 14:35 | history | answered | Doug Luxem | CC BY-SA 3.0 |