Timeline for Why must it always be this way? [duplicate]
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| Apr 13, 2017 at 12:14 | history | edited | CommunityBot |
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| Mar 27, 2014 at 13:07 | history | closed | Chris SMod | Duplicate of Perception of purpose | |
| Mar 27, 2014 at 13:04 | history | reopened | Chris SMod | ||
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| Mar 26, 2014 at 23:47 | comment | added | Mark Henderson Mod | This conversation has run its course. Please don't make me lock it again. It's the internet people. | |
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| Mar 26, 2014 at 23:40 | comment | added | Lumberjack | @EEAA I think the on-topic page serverfault.com/help/on-topic needs to be updated. I did read it before posting my question, and I think you should read it too. My question wasn't open ended. It wasn't "general discussion." It wasn't opinion based. It was off topic, because it wasn't a problem that needed to be solved. The on-topic section makes no mention of this particular caveat. And for the record MDMarra did a fine job of answering my question above. Had things gone differently, MDMarra's answer would likely have a green check mark next to it. | |
| Mar 26, 2014 at 22:58 | comment | added | Lumberjack | @MDMarra Someone should add some text to this affect in the on-topic section. Also, adding some text illuminating this point on the Ask A Question page would go a long way to reducing the frequency of these problems, and improve the experience of SE users. | |
| Mar 26, 2014 at 22:50 | comment | added | MDMarra |
You don't even have to go all the way to the on-topic section. It's right in tour. i.imgur.com/qpfDOMP.png the Don't ask section also spells this out: "You should only ask practical, answerable questions based on actual problems that you face. Chatty, open-ended questions diminish the usefulness of our site and push other questions off the front page."
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| Mar 26, 2014 at 22:48 | comment | added | Lumberjack | @MDMarra Can you provide a link, because Ctrl-F for your text is bringing up nothing on the page: serverfault.com/help/on-topic | |
| Mar 26, 2014 at 22:46 | comment | added | MDMarra | Anyway, I hope you eventually figure out why you seem to be swimming upstream here. I've tried to help you understand what you're missing, but if you don't get it by now, I can't help you any further. | |
| Mar 26, 2014 at 22:41 | comment | added | MDMarra |
@Lumberjack it's right there "Focus on questions about an actual problem you have faced. Include details about what you have tried and exactly what you are trying to do." The question isn't about a problem you have faced. It's literally right there in bold typeface.
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| Mar 26, 2014 at 22:38 | comment | added | Lumberjack | @MDMarra I'm not so egocentirc as to believe that I am perfect, but how many thousands of people have to make the claims I've made today, before somebody considers that perhaps SE can improve in some small way to make a difference? | |
| Mar 26, 2014 at 22:38 | comment | added | MDMarra | And to answer your actual question - of course they are working on another OS. Client and server operating system SKUs have been released together since Windows 7/2008 R2. In fact, client/server SKUs share the same kernel and everything now. There are leaked internal builds on Windows 9 on the Internet, so it's safe to assume that the next Windows Server version is also under development. Microsoft isn't going to stop making new operating systems. | |
| Mar 26, 2014 at 22:37 | comment | added | Lumberjack | @MDMarra I have just re-read the "About" page, and I am still unable to identify the section that details why I shouldn't have asked the Windows Server question on Server Fault. The best explanation was provided by #MarkHenderson " The basic litmus test is "is it a real problem? Does it need solving?" This is not a real problem. " Perhaps the About page should be updated to include something so concisely worded. My "question" was intended to give some insight into the feelings generated by this behavior. Surely having spent enough time to garner 75k rep, you have seen this behavior ... | |
| Mar 26, 2014 at 22:30 | comment | added | Lumberjack | @EEAA I understand the distinction, but I don't know that it is all that meaningful. I did in fact read the about page before posting my question. The topic of my question is not covered by the "don't ask" section, and it is covered by the first bullet-point of the "do ask." It might be obvious to an insider that my question is a bad question, but it is not always obvious to the person asking. | |
| Mar 26, 2014 at 22:29 | comment | added | MDMarra |
This question in meta is another great example. This question is not off topic. It directly relates to two of the bullet points in the off-topic boiler plate, yet it has been put on-hold. I'd also point out that you don't ask a question in this meta post. You rant. There isn't a single question mark outside of the blockquotes from your now-deleted question on main. A genuinely constructive question about the rules is fine for meta. Ranting is not. Again - take a minute to familiarize yourself with the rules next time and you may make out better than you did this time.
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| Mar 26, 2014 at 22:27 | comment | added | MDMarra |
I don't know why others participate in SE, but I know why I do. - I also like to help people, as evidenced by my 1,914 answers and 75,370 rep. The problem is that there are two kinds of new users. The kind that mean well, read the rules, and ask appropriately detailed questions and the kind that ignore the rules, ask whatever they want, and get bent out of shape when they are told that they did it wrong. You fall into bucket #2. Users that fall into bucket #1 are generally met with helpful responses.
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| Mar 26, 2014 at 22:24 | comment | added | Lumberjack | @MDMarra This question in meta is another great example. This question is not off topic. It directly relates to two of the bullet points in the off-topic boiler plate, yet it has been put on-hold. I can only speculate as to why, but my best guess is to silence the voice of dissent. | |
| Mar 26, 2014 at 22:23 | comment | added | EEAA | @Lumberjack Iain doesn't have vitriol for the outsider. As he articulates, he has vitriol for the outsider that can't be bothered to read the help page and ensure that what he's asking is on-topic. | |
| Mar 26, 2014 at 22:22 | comment | added | Lumberjack | @MDMarra The problem I wanted to illuminate is most perfectly demonstrated by the one "answer" below. The insider has such vitriol for the outsider. I just can't understand where it comes from, and I've observed the problem on many SE sites. I stopped participating on ESS for this very reason. | |
| Mar 26, 2014 at 22:21 | comment | added | Lumberjack | @MDMarra Let us take it as given that I am at fault, that I asked a bad question. Is it appropriate to close an off=topic question with any tag other than off-topic? Or does it perhaps illicit this sort of response when we close a question with an obviously wrong reason stated? I don't know why others participate in SE, but I know why I do. I participate to help people. For this reason, you can often find my answers as comments to closed or on hold questions. If I don't know the answer, I'll at least try to point the asker in the right direction. | |
| Mar 26, 2014 at 22:06 | comment | added | MDMarra | @Lumberjack You didn't read what the site was tour and then you asked a question that is very much off-topic and appeared to get upset that people didn't bother to tell you why. You appear to have enough rep on other SE sites to know that these sites aren't a free-for-all. I'm not sure why you think the problem lies anywhere other than on the asker here. | |
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| S Mar 26, 2014 at 20:47 | history | notice added | Mark HendersonMod | Comments only | |
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| Mar 26, 2014 at 20:45 | history | closed |
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| Mar 26, 2014 at 20:44 | comment | added | Michael Hampton Mod | You haven't raised any issues that "we" (whoever "we" are) might need to discuss with each other. In particular, you haven't identified a problem. And if we have nothing to discuss with you then there really is no point. Goodbye. | |
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| Mar 26, 2014 at 20:43 | comment | added | user9517 | @Lumberjack: had you read our about page you'd have saved everyone including yourself the trouble - therein lies the main problem. | |
| Mar 26, 2014 at 20:41 | comment | added | Lumberjack | @MarkHenderson Thank you Mark. As you are undboutedly aware, this explanation would have been far less frustrating than the one I received. Therein lies the problem. | |
| Mar 26, 2014 at 20:39 | answer | added | user9517 | timeline score: 7 | |
| Mar 26, 2014 at 20:39 | comment | added | Lumberjack | @MichaelHampton The purpose of this post was to insight discussion among you all, the perpetrators of the problem. You have nothing to discuss with me that will be of any value to this site. As you can see, all of these comments above are directed at me (what you all perceive to be the source of the problem) rather than any meaningful discussion about the way that we conduct business here on SE. | |
| Mar 26, 2014 at 20:16 | comment | added | user9517 |
This question appears to be off-topic because by the OPs own addmission they are just having a whinge to feel better. You don't need to respond. I didn't write this post to have a dialog and feel better about the treatment I got today, but rather to hopefully open your eyes to a serious problem here at SE.
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| Mar 26, 2014 at 20:15 | comment | added | TheCleaner | Your question was treated the same way it would have been if one of us had asked it and probably better. You at least got comments from myself and others that explained why it was an off-topic question and what our "opinion" was at that point. If one of the regulars had posted that we would have flamed them like crazy and then ribbed them in Chat as well. It wasn't YOU that the downvotes and comments were directed at...it was the QUESTION. | |
| Mar 26, 2014 at 20:14 | comment | added | Mark Henderson Mod | Your question does not fall in the scope of server fault. The basic litmus test is "is it a real problem? Does it need solving?" This is not a real problem. It's just someone wondering out aloud. There is nothing to be solved. The general public won't know the answer to you question, and anyone who does will be under an NDA. We don't allow "general discussion" questions, and never have. | |
| Mar 26, 2014 at 20:11 | comment | added | Michael Hampton Mod | Ask Microsoft. The rest of us can only guess. And if you don't want a dialogue, then there is no point to this post at all. | |
| Mar 26, 2014 at 20:04 | history | asked | Lumberjack | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
