Timeline for Can we be more polite?
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| Aug 27, 2016 at 19:50 | comment | added | user9517 | @RyanBabchishin You are clearly not listening. You have not made the case for not polite. Until you do, there is clearly no need to change. | |
| Aug 27, 2016 at 19:33 | comment | added | Ryan Babchishin |
@lain This This How about polite and nice while being direct (and firm I think sometimes)? Is that still too difficult? suggests to me that you feel you have made the case for not nice/polite suggests to me that you'd rather argue with me, than discuss this issue as a community.
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| Aug 27, 2016 at 18:44 | comment | added | user9517 |
@RyanBabchishin This How about polite and nice while being direct (and firm I think sometimes)? Is that still too difficult? suggests to me that you feel you have made the case for not nice/polite
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| Aug 27, 2016 at 18:34 | comment | added | user9517 | @RyanBabchishin Downvotes on meta indicate disagreement. People are free to think what they want. So it's ok for someone to think 'waste of skin' but it's not OK for them to say that directly to someone - it would quite rightly be flagged into oblivion. I don't see any argument or attacks here either. Oh and I don't see anyone openly disagreeing with bee nice either. | |
| Aug 27, 2016 at 17:48 | comment | added | Ryan Babchishin | @HopelessN00b Maybe a family issue :) JK | |
| Aug 27, 2016 at 17:34 | comment | added | HopelessN00b | @RyanBabchishin I'm Canadian, so... so much for that theory. | |
| Aug 27, 2016 at 17:27 | comment | added | Ryan Babchishin | @HopelessN00b I really don't need to make a case. This is just a discussion. This is an absolutely subjective issue. Perhaps, as I said in my post it's a cultural difference. Care to call me a crazy Canadian yet? Or maybe it's Ontario? Or Ottawa? Maybe my family? I personally think that statement is rude and wouldn't say that to a customer or co-worker... perhaps jokingly to a friend. I'd try hard to refrain from saying that to someone online and if I did, I'd feel I'd been impolite. I could get fired if my boss overheard me say something like that under the right circumstances. | |
| Aug 27, 2016 at 17:20 | comment | added | HopelessN00b | @RyanBabchishin No one is advocating that posters be called out as worthless wastes of skin or bludgeoned with heavy objects. However, you have not made a case for your assertion that it's not nice to tell someone they're hopelessly out of their depth and just making thing worse. | |
| Aug 27, 2016 at 17:17 | comment | added | Ryan Babchishin | "Lets all be polite and professional, what do you think?" -> DOWN VOTE, COMPLAIN, ARGUE, ATTACK. This has been a very interesting discussion... Enlightening in fact. Thank you everyone! | |
| Aug 27, 2016 at 17:08 | comment | added | Ryan Babchishin | @lain A few people have openly admitted to having little respect for the stuff on the "Be Nice" page. I could quote... but you can read. You saw the comment about the waste of skin, and LART, the use of foul language, etc... if you think these are all kind and polite things, so be it. But that's your opinion is not shared by everyone, even in this discussion. | |
| Aug 27, 2016 at 16:59 | comment | added | user9517 | @RyanBabchishin I don't think you've made a case for things being impolite or not nice. | |
| Aug 27, 2016 at 13:30 | comment | added | Ryan Babchishin | direct != rude, direct != nice... ye, we all know that. How about polite and nice while being direct (and firm I think sometimes)? Is that still too difficult? | |
| Aug 24, 2016 at 18:01 | comment | added | HopelessN00b | @Sven That seriously minimizes the criteria I have for categorizing someone as a worthless waste of skin, and I'm pretty sure that neither someone's humanity nor right to life is not defined by whether or not they are worthy of their epidermal layer, but it shouldn't be a surprise to you that a cynical misanthrope such as myself would seriously hold a cynical, misanthropic point of view like this. | |
| Aug 24, 2016 at 17:47 | comment | added | Sven Mod | While I share the "direct != rude" view, I also firmly believe that describing anyone as "worthless waste of skin" over some less-then-ideal interactions on a website is far beyond unacceptable. Essentially, you deny people their humanity and in the end, their right to live because they asked a stupid question and complained afterwards? You can't be serious, I hope. | |
| Aug 24, 2016 at 16:30 | comment | added | HopelessN00b | @RyanBabchishin The be nice thing is a network-wide policy, not ServerFault specific, so we have no ability to do anything about it. My personal feelings about it (which are not complementary) are irrelevant, as are yours and basically everyone else's. It's imposed by SE and isn't going to change. As it is, they get frequent complaints from worthless wastes of skin about SF being mean for down voting, closing or otherwise not bending over backwards for some particular PoS "question" or another. | |
| Aug 24, 2016 at 16:20 | comment | added | Ryan Babchishin | @HopelessN00b Hahaha. So what do we do? Nothing... forget I brought it up? Leave that Be Nice page alone? Is it nice to say "you don't know what the fuck you're doing" to someone at work? Really, I don't care... I'm asking... I'd love a consensus. I'd love that page to say that you can expect to be told off under certain circumstances with foul language when the situation warrants. Can we do that? | |
| Aug 24, 2016 at 16:10 | comment | added | HopelessN00b | @RyanBabchishin I'm saying (among other things) that "nice" and "polite" are not synonyms. I realize you're using them interchangeably - that's part of the problem. (And yes, I would talk to a co-worker that way, if I had occasion to. In fact, I've actually said "you don't know what the fuck you're doing, step away from the computer" to coworkers before.) | |
| Aug 24, 2016 at 16:08 | comment | added | Ryan Babchishin | @yagmoth555 Yes, I understand direct != rude | |
| Aug 24, 2016 at 16:07 | comment | added | yagmoth555 Mod | @RyanBabchishin Direct != Rude. As when I flag such comment that are rude moderator do a great job to moderate them in short time! Last comment I flagged got dealed with in less than 2 minutes. | |
| Aug 24, 2016 at 16:05 | comment | added | Ryan Babchishin | @yagmoth555 I've been there. I've had to argue with my boss over things, even a CTO on occasion. They don't always take it well (a good boss will listen/debate), but it's necessary (for me) as a professional to be honest and do what's right. I don't need to be rude to do that though. | |
| Aug 24, 2016 at 15:55 | comment | added | yagmoth555 Mod | @RyanBabchishin Yes, you need to be direct if you are professional. One of my co-worker accepted a project even if another co-worker told him to not accept it (a big rdp farm). He told him to continue alone, because it's scrap what he was dooing there and it would not work. Guess what, 6 months later the customer wanted to kill him and the guy lost is job. | |
| Aug 24, 2016 at 15:47 | comment | added | Ryan Babchishin | I was really using polite and nice interchangeably. And I'm not suggesting new rules, I'm referring to the existing rules. Are you saying you disagree with the existing rules or this is how you interpret them? Would you actually talk to someone like that at work? | |
| Aug 24, 2016 at 15:38 | history | answered | HopelessN00b | CC BY-SA 3.0 |