Timeline for Proposed change to Server Fault guidelines, round 2
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| Dec 29, 2014 at 18:04 | comment | added | Shane Madden StaffMod | @TheCleaner Yeah, I still don't like it, but figured it was better to just go for it for now, see how it works in the wild, and adjust -- instead of spending another month agonizing over the wording. Hopefully shouldn't take us long to figure out something better. | |
| Dec 29, 2014 at 14:19 | comment | added | TheCleaner |
I guess I glanced over the close reason verbiage...but I'm not a fan of "Questions should demonstrate reasonable business information technology management practices. Questions that relate to unsupported hardware or software platforms or unmaintained environments may not be suitable for Server Fault" -- I like the Help Center link itself...but the close reason is confusing IMO to people wanting to close it. I read it 3x before clicking the Help Center link and then coming here to read your OP and then going "Oh, got it." I know the verbiage is tough...and I don't have a great replacement.
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| Dec 27, 2014 at 0:41 | comment | added | Andrew B | @Shog I think you have me confused for someone else, or are replying to the wrong answer. | |
| Dec 26, 2014 at 18:34 | comment | added | Shog9 | I encourage people to actually use the close reasons (including OT->Other) to demonstrate what is needed here, @AndrewB. Hard data on what sorts of questions are problematic on this site is a whole lot more useful than hyperbole on meta. | |
| Dec 26, 2014 at 18:22 | comment | added | Shane Madden StaffMod | @RobM This post has been up for two weeks and was tagged as featured so that it was appearing on the front page, so you really can't argue that this has been going down behind the community's back. And yes, +18 / -0, where the post was when we decided to pull the trigger on the changes, is a "clear majority". You're assuming that the whole community agrees with your position (and a vocal minority certainly does), but you're wrong. | |
| Dec 26, 2014 at 18:16 | comment | added | Rob Moir | I'm not the one who ram-rodded through a change with, at best, minimal support and picked Christmas time to do it so no one would notice, Shane. Does your "clear majority" supporting this include all the people you had rally to support this from the teacher's lounge when Iain called you on this nonsense last time? | |
| Dec 26, 2014 at 17:26 | comment | added | Shane Madden StaffMod | @RobM And you may now refer to me as Dear Leader. A North Korea comparison? You might be taking this a little too seriously. Let's look at it this way: what horrible consequences are you worried about from this? Replacing "professional" with "business environment" is a pretty minor change. | |
| Dec 26, 2014 at 10:10 | comment | added | Rob Moir | From where I'm sitting, people are "willing to give this a shot" in the same way that North Koreans are willing to be ruled by the Kim family. This feels very much like something that has been done to the site, not for the site. | |
| Dec 25, 2014 at 9:53 | comment | added | Andrew B | It's honestly a coin flip whether December vacations mean that our regulars are spending more time on SF, or less as they spend time with family and things that aren't related to computers. Speaking for myself only, fast trigger pulls after a very long lull in SE admin attention span does not instill confidence. That said, I encourage people to use the vote tally on this answer to share how they feel about this having been enacted. | |
| Dec 24, 2014 at 22:18 | comment | added | MadHatter | A fairly-made point, though you will note that I stipulated above that there was no community agreement to retain not professional. That the community wants to give this a shot is certainly one way to interpret the voting figures that you quote (though "18 in favour, 2 against" is hardly a thunderous majority for a change as substantial as this); I'd interpret it as "the community is heartily sick of the whole discussion and will go for anything as long as we stop talking about it", a position that argues for no change - though I also freely stipulate that I can't disambiguate the two. | |
| Dec 24, 2014 at 21:50 | comment | added | Shane Madden StaffMod | @MadHatter The point of this being reposted was to reset the feedback based on the current revision (and get more eyes on that version, as some people wouldn't have seen the edits). As you can see from the vote totals, it's +18 / -2 right now after almost two weeks (and it was +18 / -0 at the start of the week, collecting the two downvotes most recently). There are certainly some people in the community who still disagree, but a clear majority is willing to give this a shot. | |
| Dec 24, 2014 at 18:20 | comment | added | MadHatter | ... which - combined with some unguarded statements made during the moderators' election - very much led me to feel that the powers that be required a change, regardless of whether the community could reach consensus on it. I freely concede that the community isn't united behind me in wanting to keep the not professional close reason - and, more importantly to my mind, the corresponding mission statement - but I don't feel there's a clear mandate for this change either. That we got change, despite the lack of a mandate for any particular direction, rankles somewhat. | |
| Dec 24, 2014 at 18:16 | comment | added | MadHatter | Thanks for the response, which genuinely is appreciated. My personal feeling is that the community wasn't going to get the choice. We lost minimal understanding as a close reason with what seemed like indecent haste. I admit that Professional got more discussion, for which I'm grateful, but we did that discussion nearly to death in meta.serverfault.com/questions/6701/… , and I felt no consensus was reached - and yet, we did the whole question again not three weeks later... | |
| Dec 24, 2014 at 17:45 | comment | added | Shane Madden StaffMod | @MadHatter The community's clearly willing to give this a shot, I'm sorry that you won't. | |
| Dec 24, 2014 at 0:08 | comment | added | MadHatter | Yes. Put the professional requirement back. | |
| Dec 23, 2014 at 20:49 | vote | accept | Shane Madden | ||
| Dec 23, 2014 at 20:49 | history | answered | Shane MaddenStaffMod | CC BY-SA 3.0 |