Timeline for Questions to ask the SE staff regarding the future of ServerFault
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| S Aug 15, 2013 at 14:40 | history | notice removed | CommunityBot | ||
| S Aug 15, 2013 at 14:40 | history | unlocked | CommunityBot | ||
| S Aug 14, 2013 at 14:31 | history | notice added | Michael HamptonMod | Content dispute | |
| S Aug 14, 2013 at 14:31 | history | locked | Michael HamptonMod | ||
| Aug 14, 2013 at 13:26 | comment | added | Andrew B | @Tim Keep waiting. | |
| Aug 14, 2013 at 13:06 | comment | added | Rob Moir | @PeterSnow with regards to merging some of the sites, while I think most of us (and many superuser people) would disagree about merging superuser with this site, we've actually shared and expressed similar concerns about the subdivisions in the stack exchange sites. If you think having us and/or superuser separated from Unix and Linux is crazy/confusing enough, remember there's also Ask Ubuntu and a networking-only site in stack exchange too. While the intentions behind these divisions were good, it all add to the burden of trying to find the right place to ask a question imho. | |
| Aug 14, 2013 at 13:01 | comment | added | Rob Moir | What I'm saying is that a question from a junior sysadmin may sometimes seem stupid from the perspective of a senior one. I get that @Marki - My personal feeling about the "IT Professional" standard for questions here is that it should refer to the quality of the question asked, not its level or the abilities or experience of the person asking it. A good thoughtful question is welcome no matter what level its asked at and 'senior' sysadmins are capable of asking bad questions. For me, it's the questions, not the person asking them. | |
| Aug 13, 2013 at 18:05 | comment | added | Chopper3 | I totally follow Peter @Tim - but it's not like we TRY to be condescending - but for those of us who do a very large portion of the answering and cleanup of poor questions there's just way TOO much stuff where the new user hasn't even bothered to read the stuff that's right in front of them when they ask. Don't you think it's rude to ask a question on a site without reading and understanding what it's about? we get it dozens of times a day, maybe you don't see them all - because we clean it up for you. Yes we angry with people, but it's just out of tiredness from trying to do good. | |
| Aug 13, 2013 at 17:25 | comment | added | Tim | Love @PeterSnow comments here. He is on the right track. Waiting for the typical condescending SF club to shame him out of the room like they do to most new users. | |
| Aug 12, 2013 at 1:16 | comment | added | Peter White | @rtannerf By 'big boys' I meant, Intel, Oracle, etc. By 'pro' I'm referring to someone who works in the I.T. sector but not necessarily for a major player. Adding 'works for Intel', after a users name would just serve to make me feel even less like I belong here and I'm already decidedly uncomfortable, but I don't have these feelings on StackOverflow. Personally, I believe that 'Super User', 'Server Fault' & 'Unix & Linux' should all be merged. StackOverflow could be split up similarly - good thing it's not. | |
| Aug 11, 2013 at 20:12 | comment | added | Marki | The question also is: who's considered a sysadmin ("Professional IT Administrator")? Someone with a business card saying so? Someone who's been in the job for 25 years+? What I'm saying is that a question from a junior sysadmin may sometimes seem stupid from the perspective of a senior one. Nevertheless, junior needs to learn. Even the senior guy probably sometimes needs to do new things where he/she'd ask "stupid" questions from the point of view of a specialist in that specific topic. | |
| Aug 11, 2013 at 18:33 | comment | added | rtf | @PeterSnow 'I wanted advice from a pro' + 'seems to me like a big boys club' How do you reconcile this conflict? | |
| Aug 11, 2013 at 13:23 | comment | added | Peter White | I'm have been an IT pro since 1996. I program, use only Linux, manage servers and VPS's, make use of Tor, Bitcoin, IRC, etc, etc. My point is, that I still felt like maybe I have no right to post my server admin question on SF. I nearly posted it on Unix/Linux instead but just changed my mind because I wanted advice from a pro, not from a home user. My comment's meant to help you understand how some of us feel and not to pull you down. | |
| Aug 11, 2013 at 13:17 | comment | added | Peter White | I personally think SF have made themselves too exclusive. SF is expected to provide assistance from those already in the know to those who are climbing the ladder, but it seems to me like a big boys club, which is unwelcoming and suspicious of, or even patronizing to lesser beings. | |
| Aug 8, 2013 at 22:09 | answer | added | sysadmin1138Mod | timeline score: 20 | |
| Aug 8, 2013 at 13:25 | answer | added | TheCleaner | timeline score: 12 | |
| Aug 8, 2013 at 10:15 | answer | added | JamesRyan | timeline score: 11 | |
| Aug 8, 2013 at 2:42 | answer | added | Ward - Trying CodidactMod | timeline score: 8 | |
| Aug 8, 2013 at 1:43 | answer | added | Andrew B | timeline score: 17 | |
| Aug 7, 2013 at 2:53 | answer | added | TheLQ | timeline score: 2 | |
| Aug 6, 2013 at 19:25 | history | tweeted | twitter.com/#!/ServerFault/status/364829497175965698 | ||
| Aug 6, 2013 at 17:45 | comment | added | Ward - Trying Codidact Mod | The drop in traffic is considered to be due to summer vacation: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/192130/… | |
| Aug 6, 2013 at 17:44 | comment | added | user9517 | @voretaq7: Whilst the model relies on smart people closing crap it also drives smart people away. Right now the model stops me from using /review because of the audits. It stops me from answering questions because I can't be bothered to sift through the shit. The model is wrong and needs to be fixed. Giving people the opportunity to filter the shit can only be a good thing. | |
| Aug 6, 2013 at 17:37 | comment | added | EEAA | #8 is a great point. I'm guessing that was likely an unintended carry-over from other SE sites following the FAQ/Help Center redesign. | |
| Aug 6, 2013 at 17:35 | comment | added | voretaq7 Mod | @Iain If it's implemented as the "Best Of" view from #6 I think it's a sound idea - implementing it as a filter we (high-rep users) can apply to what we see is where I have issues. The SE model relies on smart people seeing and closing crap, and if we break that part of the model by blocking the crap from our view we'll be happy (no more crap!) but a new seasoned pro coming to the site will still see all the crap, think we're no better than Yahoo Answers, and leave. | |
| Aug 6, 2013 at 17:05 | comment | added | user9517 | @voretaq7: Having some way to filter the crap can only be a good thing. New people will hopefully find out about it real quick. | |
| Aug 6, 2013 at 15:37 | comment | added | user9517 | @voretaq7: We're definitely not reaching our target audience - most of our traffic comes from users with more rep on SO than anywhere else. | |
| Aug 6, 2013 at 15:30 | comment | added | voretaq7 Mod | I think #5 is likely to be a non-starter (it won't solve the problem we're really trying to address: new professional users will still see a flood of crap and be put off by it). #6 seems like a better route but we definitely need a better "best of" algorithm... | |
| Aug 6, 2013 at 15:09 | comment | added | voretaq7 Mod | The network-wide drop in traffic concerns me slightly less than the fact that closed questions has been elevated for a while now, and didn't drop with our traffic. To me that means either we're not reaching our target audience, we're doing something that's driving them away, or the flood-o-crap is driving them away. | |
| Aug 6, 2013 at 14:53 | comment | added | user9517 | @Ward: If you look at quantcast it says the same thing for the sites. Something happened about March time to drive less traffic here. I particular global traffic from the look of it. | |
| Aug 6, 2013 at 14:34 | comment | added | Ward - Trying Codidact Mod | @TheCleaner or anyone... what do those Alexa stats mean? It shows SF, SU, and SO all having a big dip around the same time in 2013. | |
| Aug 6, 2013 at 13:42 | comment | added | TheCleaner | alexa.com/siteinfo/serverfault.com | |
| Aug 6, 2013 at 13:38 | comment | added | Tom O'Connor Mod | I'd welcome a site to support Q10, gladly. It's one thing I actually enjoy doing. | |
| Aug 6, 2013 at 13:19 | comment | added | Chris S Mod | Might be also worth noting that, year to date: traffic to the site is down, new users per day is down, new questions and answer are down, edits are down, voting is down - every meaningful measurement of the site is down, except closed questions, that stat is up. | |
| Aug 6, 2013 at 13:15 | answer | added | Chris SMod | timeline score: 21 | |
| Aug 6, 2013 at 13:00 | history | edited | Chris SMod | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Aug 6, 2013 at 9:47 | history | asked | Chopper3 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |